Which Figures? Part 2b: True 15mm/Epic Compatibility - Foot

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My original Which Figures posts have grown exponentially, so much so that I decided to revise the information.

For the full picture see:-

Which Figures? - the original post, where I ruminate about what I want from figures, and what led me to choose Peter Pig

Which Figures? What is Available - the state of play with current 'ECW' 15mm figure ranges; a continually updating look at what figures are available, and what is included/missing from ranges.

Which Figures? Part 2a: Size Matters: Foot - I take a look at what is available in 15/18mm and show side by side comparisons 

Which Figures? Part 2b: True 15mm/Epic Compatibility: Foot - a more in depth look at smaller 15mm compatibility

Which Figures? Part 3a: Size Matters: Horses - I take a look at what is available in 15/18mm and show side by side comparisons

Which Figures? Part 3b: True 15mm/Epic Compatibility: Horses - a more in depth look at smaller 15mm compatibility

I had a little rummage in my spares box and found that I had the command figures for two new Regiments of Foot. These are a mix of Peter Pig, Naismith and Steel Fist: all often described as 'true 15mm'. So in the interests of 'science', I decided to see how they measured up against one another, and more importantly, could they be used in the same unit? 

Peter Pig, with a Naismith halberdier (front right)

Initial thoughts: 

The Naismith range is out of production but some packs are still available through Keep Wargaming (no relation). They are a mixed bunch, some of the sculpts are questionable to say the least, but there are a few gems in the range, most notably the halberdier and the marching musketeer (one pose per pack). There is a Naismith halberdier, in this batch; a couple of marching musketeers will probably make it into the finished regiments. Hat feathers I'm afraid, but forgivable as they are at least thirty, if not forty year old sculpts. 

Much praise has been heaped upon the Steel Fist figures: they look beautiful enlarged upon our computer screens, but what are they like in real life? 

In comparison to Peter Pig figures the detail is quite shallow: hopefully this will not hinder my 'block paint and wash' technique. 

My big disappointment was with the officer with raised sword: his sword was very slender, and broke when I was trying to straighten it when I opened the packet it came in. Not the best first impression. He has had a replacement sword fitted using a staple, and a greenstuff basket guard to help stabilise the new sword. Amongst the small sample of figures from Steel Fist that I have, there is a slight size difference between figure. It is only slight, but it is noticeable.

There are a number of figures which are clearly meant as ensigns or halberdiers (there were two separate, loose halberds in the pack) - which is nice as they give a degree of dynamism not normally seen in 15mm figures (not conducive to casting methods in a one piece casting).

Steel Fist have recently reorganised their pike and musket packs, command figures now come in separate packs. In the command pack I purchased there was just one drummer and a fifer. Personally I'd like to see more musicians, or a dedicated pack of musicians. Far too many hat feathers for my taste too; you might like your figures bedecked with hat feathers, I don't. 

Steel Fist have recently put a 'sample' figure pack in the listings: costing just a penny (you pay for the postage), the pack includes mounted and foot figures.

For control purposes there are some Peter Pig ensigns, a drummer and an officer (no headswaps). On the subject of headswapping neither the Naismith nor the Steel Fist figures that I have, easily lend themselves to headswaps. In fairness some of the Peter Pig figures aren't the easiest to decapitate either.

The 'also rans':

Warrior, Minifigs, Essex, Matchlock and Freikorps/QRF are all often described as 'true 15mm'; I think they are labelled as such because they are older ranges, often with 'legacy' ranges. I have included some comparison pictures with figures from other manufacturers, already in my collection. 

Warrior are temporarily unavailable: they've been unavailable since December 2021. If and when they do become available again, I will add them to this post. 

Minifigs, from experience, vary wildly in size even within their ranges. I did have some of their armed peasants but they absolutely towered above my Peter Pig figures, a good head and shoulders taller; I looked through their ECW listings again but didn't see any figures that I wanted - I know that they have a strong fanbase but they really aren't for me. So they are not included here.

Essex: I've bought some Essex figures in the past, and I have featured their C17th gentleman's coach on here. Similar to Minifigs, a good head and shoulders taller than Peter Pig. Personally I think the Essex ECW rank and file to be a little extreme in their poses; stylistically I don't think that they mix with Peter Pig.

Essex: personally I'm not so sold on the poses or anatomical proportions

Museum: not really 15mm, these are 18mm heading towards 20mm. I just happened to have a Museum drover as I have just had a delivery of their carts and limbers. The driver figure looks okay next to Peter Pig in my pictures, somewhat annoyingly he is hunched over slightly so his true height is slightly disguised. Certainly not viable with Steel Fist.

As for Matchlock - a few of their figures already grace my collection. Some of the figures are a similar height to PP, but appear very 'well fed' in comparison.  Size, and heft vary wildly amongst the range. Some just about work on the same battlefield, but not in the same unit. If the bulk of your army is from Steel Fist, then these are not going to work for you.

All these figures are from Matchlock, the musketeer on the left is much bigger than the witchfinder on the right

As with Matchlock, there are already a few Freikorps 15 figures (available from QRF) in my collection. From my experience their size varies wildly, only a handful of the figures that I have bought have made the cut (those that didn't have been recycled). Some of the mounted figures were in excess of 20mm tall. I include a camp follower in the comparison pictures for completeness only. QRF changed ownership recently and relocated; the ECW/30YW ranges are back in production.

left to right: Peter Pig, Naismith, Freikorps 15, Steel Fist, Matchlock

left to right: Steel Fist, Naismith, Peter Pig, Museum, Matchlock, Magister Militum (with pony), Freikorps 15

Thanks to regular reader Dex, I can now add Essex to the comparison picture

left to right: Steel Fist, Magister Militum, Naismith, Epic, Peter Pig Scot (older sculpt, slightly shorter), Peter Pig, Essex, Museum, Matchlock

Chariot Miniatures, available from Magister Militum, have an ECW range. Many of the figures appear to have much later dress - they are wearing clothes from the late C17th, early C18th. As a result they don't really have many suitable figures in their range; there are, however, a few gems in the range, I really like the dismounted dragoon firing figure. I do own a handful of their Scots horseholders which I have used with pack horses and frame gun horses. Slightly shorter and slighter than Peter Pig, they would fit quite nicely with Steel Fist on the same base. Magister Militum have shut up shop, the fate of the Chariot lines is unknown at the moment.

Chariot Miniatures Scots horseholders

How do they paint up?

I'm no great painter, I'm very much from the school of careful colouring in, then use a heavy wash to disguise mistakes and add shading. Occasionally I will go back and add some highlights.

Peter Pig: I can paint these, figuratively, standing on my head as I've done so many of them. Sculpting style seems very much to favour the average painter; detail is raised, and takes a wash really well.

Naismith: Again I've painted hundreds of Naismith Napoleonic figures, but these seem slightly different style wise. Much more delicate in their sculpting. Nice detail, I enjoyed painting this figure. It took a wash quite well. 

A Steel Fist halberdier in front of Peter Pig musketeers

Steel Fist: Similar to the Naismith, very delicate in their sculpting style. Enjoyable to paint, nice to have some different poses. My initial concerns as to whether they would take a wash well, seem unfounded.

How do they fare sizewise?

You will often hear the adage, 'same table but not the same unit' used when figure size is discussed. Is this appropriate for these three true 15mm ECW ranges? Inevitably someone will pipe up 'people are different heights'; yes they are, but equipment should be consistently sized regardless of height. A height difference of  2 or 3mm for a true 15mm figure is a 15/20% difference. 

This would 'translate' as an average height C17th man (5 feet 8 inches in case you were wondering) standing next to someone nearly 7 feet tall. Great if you want to represent Sir Bevill Grenville's 'giant' Anthony Payne, but for common soldiers, not so great.

The Peter Pig figures are very shiny metal compared to the other two brands, and this difference was too much of a distraction when compared in a bare metal state so they have all had an undercoat applied.

Steel Fist and Naismith are almost identical in height. They are a very good match both style and heft too. The Peter Pig figures are marginally taller (some of which can be given to base thickness), and just a little bit chunkier. Weaponry seems comparable sizewise, with the exception of swords. Peter Pig swords are much thicker, and robust, than the Steel Fist swords which appear rapier like in comparison.

As mentioned by Steve (below), there are some pictures of older ranges on his blog here.

But can you mix them in the same unit? 

A Naismith halberdier in front of Peter Pig musketeer

Considering how old the Naismith figure is, I really think it is as good as anything from the much feted Steel Fist range. A shame they are now out of production, and how hit and miss the quality of the rest of the range is.

A Steel Fist halberdier in front of Peter Pig musketeers

The three ranges are clearly interchangeable and can work in the same unit. There is a very slight height difference, but if it bothers you that much you could always raise the Steel Fist figures up (their cast bases are very thin in comparison to both the Peter Pig and Naismith figures).

Command strip left to right: Steel Fist, Steel Fist, Peter Pig, Steel Fist. All other figures Peter Pig

Command strip left to right: Peter Pig, Peter Pig, Peter Pig, Steel Fist. All other figures Peter Pig

Personally I think I'll stick with the Peter Pig figures for foot, the ease and suitability for headswapping  (not forgetting the absence of big feathers in hats) being the clincher. Now if only they could produce unarmoured pikemen, pikemen with tassets, highland pike, lowland pike (vertical open hand), lowland muskets loading...

I suppose I am in quite an enviable position, I am really happy with my completed armies; I don't envisage any 'big' expansions, just a few additions here and there. I am more than happy to dip into other ranges such as Steel Fist and Naismith to add some more variety. Now if someone would make some new interesting true 15mm mounted command figures that don't come in ridiculously expensive big bags I'd be really really happy...

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Comments

  1. Dan Foley28 March 2022 at 12:17

    Excellent figure review. Painting always seems to lessen the size differences.

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    1. Radar28 March 2022 at 13:31

      Thanks, hope it has been useful Dan. Agreed a dash of paint seems to remove a lot of the size issues

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  2. Dex McHenry28 March 2022 at 16:54

    An excellent considered approach as every Mike. I recently picked up some of the Steel Fist, musketeers and horse, and also found issues of brittleness in the weapons, swords and muskets breaking too. Most of my existing figures are Essex and Matchlock with the odd Museum in the cavalry, so mixing the Steel Fist into a unit is not going to happen. I have, instead, gone for discrete units of horse or as commanded shot/ artillery guards for the foot.

    My first Peter Pig ECW have now arrived and will form the foot for my resurgent Irish Catholic Confederates - which may be a misuse of a stated ECW range! ;-).

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    1. Radar28 March 2022 at 17:13

      Thanks Dex. The PP Irish seem quite slim in comparison to the rest of the 'ECW' range.

      Ah yes the ECW/BCW/Wo3K conundrum...

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    2. Baron von Wreckedoften8 May 2022 at 20:55

      There may be a reason the PP Irish are so slim. Sadly, potato blights were not just a Victorian phenomenon! Every 100 years, more or less, regular as clockwork - 1640s, 1740s, 1840s.....

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    3. Radar9 May 2022 at 12:09

      Ha! Sadly I don't think that PP were trying to be body shape accurate here, just that their sculpting dollies were a bit too slim. The Food Cult project looked into Irish diet in the C16th and C17th and potatoes don't figure at all. Peas, salty bacon, beans and lots of dairy produce.

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  3. Khusru29 March 2022 at 01:11

    It's good as far as it goes. But a size comparison should include ranges from companies you may not like. Your omissions leaves me wondering if the others are comparable or not.
    A truer headline would be figures that are comparable in size to PP and may be used in conjunction with them

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    1. Radar29 March 2022 at 07:08

      Fair comment. Whilst I have stated that both Minifigs and Essex are a good head taller - without pictures it is just my word for it.

      I'm not going to shell out money on figures that I know I am not going to be able to use. That goes for a lot of ranges sold as 15mm.

      Eureka were kind enough to send me some samples which I included in my original Which Figures post. I've since passed those on to a new home. Where to draw the line? Some manufacturers call their figures 18mm, some insist on calling them 15mm when they are 18mm. Which is why I qualify my 15mm description as 'true 15mm'. Some ranges, Essex and Minifigs in particular, are often described as 'true 15mm' purely because they have been around a long time - they aren't 'true 15mm', they are big 15mm.

      Of course if anyone wants to send me samples for inclusion I'd be more than happy to include them.

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    2. Steve-the-Wargamer1 April 2022 at 13:28

      What an excellent post - may thanks.. I have included a fair few figure scale comparisons on my ECW project page as well - and may well link to a few of yours, as when I first did it, Steel Fist weren't available.. like you I've tried a few now, but keep going back to Peter Pig - for this period they are pretty much the control for me - I compare everything to them.. more here.. https://steve-the-wargamer.blogspot.com/p/the-english-civil-war-project.html

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    3. Radar1 April 2022 at 13:47

      Thanks Steve. The Gallia/Warrior look a reasonable match size wise - are they of a consistent height, or do they vary like Minifigs? I'll pop a link to your page in my text too, some useful pictures.

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